Thursday, March 26, 2009

Crucifixion or Crucifiction - A Response (PART 6)

In the last message I started addressing the account of Genesis with regards to Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, and the sacrifice, which is a pre-figure of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I mentioned that the Qur'an does not actually name the person who is sacrificed whereas this name is mentioned in the bible, and since this is in the book of Genesis, a book of the Torah, and Mohammed believed that it had been preserved (Surah 32.23), then the evidence compels us to accept that it was indeed Isaac who was chosen to be a sacrifice, not Ishmael.

I also presented evidence showing that the Qur'an confirms that a covenant was given to Israel (surah 2:92-93) who descends from Isaac, not Ishmael, and that the Quran shows that the line of prophethood is through Isaac, which would disqualify Mohammed as a prophet from God.

We now turn our attention to the sacrifice itself in Genesis 22.
First we note : The Abraham was willing to give his only son whom he loved. This is a type of the Father freely giving His Son whom He loves for our redemption.

Genesis 22:2 Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

3 Early the next morning Abraham got up and saddled his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about.

There were witnesses who saw from a distance:

4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance.

5 He said to his servants, "Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you."

Notice also the reference to the third day. As you have the third day upon which Christ resurrected - in this case - Isaac lived after the sacrifice.

6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together,

The wood signifies the cross, the fire signifies judgement, and the knife signifies the piercing.

7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" "Yes, my son?" Abraham replied. "The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"

Here Isaac knows that the requirement of a burnt offering is a lamb. Thus in this accout, we actually need both aspects to complete the picture. On the one hand, showing Isaac as the Son given by his Father signifying Christ the Son given by God (John 3:16), on the other hand, the lamb signifying Christ as the lamb of God (john 1:29,1:26,Rev 5:6,Rev 7:17, Rev 14:10,Rev 15:3,Rev19:9,Rev 21:23,Rev 22:1,Rev 22:3).

8 Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together.

9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood.

10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
11 But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied.

12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."
At this point, the muslim might suggest that this picture shows that Jesus escaped death and therefore Deedat was correct with the swoon theory. But the account does not finish here. Keep in mind, there are two aspects of Christ being portrayed, one as the Son of God, and the other as the lamb of God.

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son.

The ram is caught by it’s horns in the thicket (thorny bush) just like the crown of thorns placed upon the head of Christ.

14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided."
15 The angel of the Lord called to Abraham from heaven a second time

16 and said, "I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,

17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies,

18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."
Notice in verse 16 that God considers the sacrifice as to have taken place, through Abraham’s faith as he had not withheld his only son, which was an act of obedience (verse 18).

Now the muslim may interject at this point and say that the substitution theory must be correct since the ram died in the place of Isaac. The problem with this is that the lamb that was to be offered up as a burnt offering was to be unblemished (Exodus 12:5), so whoever ended up being sacrificed upon the cross of Calvary must have been sinless. This would not make sense in the Islamic substitution theory however, because they argue that Allah would never allow such harm to come to one of his prophets, and only the prophets are considered as sinless. Are we to suppose that Allah saved one prophet from going to the cross by sending another one in his place? Such a statement would be illogical and self-refuting.

Therefore, both the substitution theory and the swoon theory fail at this point. Only the New Testament fulfilment fits perfectly with Christ as the unblemished lamb of God (1 Peter 1:19)

We turn now to the next portion of Deedat’s argument. He writes:

“If this was God's plan for a vicarious atonement to redeem mankind, then obviously He had chosen a wrong substitute. This candidate was most reluctant to die. Arming! Wailingi Sweating! Crying! Complaining! 1 Contrast these responses with those of Lord Nelson, a war-hero, who gave up the ghost with these undying words:
"THANK GOD, I HAVE DONE MY DUTY!". There are millions today, who would happily immolate themselves for king and country, with smiles on their faces, with shouts of "Amandhia!" or "Allahu-akbar!" or "God save the Queen!" Jesus was an un-willing victim. If this was God's scheme of salvation, then it was a heartless plot. It was murder in the first degree, and not redeeming self-sacrifice. “

Notice the words that Deedat uses: “Arming! Wailingi Sweating! Crying! Complaining!” -
(1) Arming: Jesus did not intend to use a mere two swords for battle.
(2) Waling: I read that Jesus was grieved in His spirit and praying, not wailing.
(3) Sweating: These were sweat drops of blood. This kind of phenomenon is described in medicine as hematohidrosis.
(4) Crying: See point 2 above.
(5) Complaining: Was Mohammed complaining on his death bed? Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 4, Book 56, Number 660 reads:
Narrated 'Aisha and Ibn 'Abbas:
On his death-bed Allah's Apostle put a sheet over his-face and when he felt hot, he would remove it from his face. When in that state (of putting and removing the sheet) he said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians for they build places of worship at the graves of their prophets." (By that) he intended to warn (the Muslim) from what they (i.e. Jews and Christians) had done.
It seems that Mohammed is allowed to curse the Christians and the Jews for building places of worship but Jesus is not allowed to murmur anything but joyful words on the way to his death. Amazing double standards we see here from Deedat.

When Jesus is at the cross, what kinds of words do we see from Him?

(1) And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." – This was to one the thief on the cross. This particular person had mocked him earlier (Matthew 27:44), but later repented (Luke 23:39-40). Did Jesus complain here, and tell rebuke the thief for mocking him earlier? No, instead He gave a great promise of Paradise.

(2) Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots (Luke 23:34). Did Jesus complain here? No, He prayed for those who were persecuting Him.

(3) Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. (Luke 23:28). Did Jesus want pity from others? Did He want others to weep for Him? No. He told them not to weep for Him but to weep for themselves and their children. This surely does not sound like a complaining Jesus to me.

(4) Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. (Luke 23:46). Jesus here does not voice angry words to the Father, rather He trusts everything into His hands.

(5) And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34). Now muslims will claim that Jesus is complaining here, that he is crying in defeat. What Jesus was doing was quoting from Psalm 22:1. Let us read this Psalm in its entirety as we see that this is not a cry of defeat but a fulfilment of scripture showing the crucified Christ who triumphs victoriously. Compare the blue section with the red:

1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, and am not silent.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel.
4 In you our fathers put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them.
5 They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed.
6 But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by men and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the Lord; let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him." 9 Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. 10 From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions tearing their prey open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted away within me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
19 But you, O Lord, be not far off; O my Strength, come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver my life from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the Lord will praise him-- may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-- those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness to a people yet unborn-- for he has done it.
We can see here, that Christ’s crucifixion is portrayed with rich and vivid language. He describes Himself as a worm, an object of mockery by His people (verses 6 - 7), His intimate relationship with the Father from birth (verses 9 – 10), the piercing of His hands and feet (verse 16), the casting of lots over His garments (verse 18).

Verses 22 – 31 Show the triumph of the suffering servant. In fact, the cries of verse one are met with the Father’s presence (verse 24), He fulfils the righteous requirement (verse 25), the gospel goes out to all nations (verse 27), His sacrifice will have perpetual remembrance and worth (verse 30). Verse 31 shows that these verses are not merely applying to someone living in the Old Testament times, but in the future.

Thus, we have a beautiful picture of the death and resurrection of Christ which brings about a great triumphant victory!

7 Comments:

At September 29, 2009 4:22 PM , Blogger Dom said...

You stated
I also presented evidence showing that the Qur'an confirms that a covenant was given to Israel

Reply
A convenant or contract becomes void when one party does not live up to their side. The second destruction of the Jewish temple was a sign that the rejection of Jesus pbuh as a messenger ended the convenant between the descendants of Israel and God.

In the 7th Century the Muslims via Caliphate Umar took over Jerusalem as the convenant of God is now with the entire world (as long as you submit to God)

Unfortunately the Muslims have lost their way and moved away from the teaching of the Quran and started following the behaviour of the West. As punishment Jerusalam is now divided between Muslims and Jews.

Deutoronomy 18:18 speaks of the prophet Mohammed pbuh. This foretells the final prophet will come from outside of the house of Isaac.

I would like to break up Det 18:18 into three parts and examine separately

like unto thee (Moses),

among their brethren,

and

will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him

Looking at like onto thee (Moses)

If you examine the similarities between Moses and Muhammed (pbut) you will see it can only refer to him. They similarities cannot be coincidental.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) were born normally. Jesus (pbuh) was born from a miraculous virgin birth.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) had a father and mother. Jesus (pbuh) had only a mother.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) married. Jesus (pbuh) never married.

The people accepted both Moses and Muhammad (pbut)durig their lifetime. Jesus (pbuh) was notaccepted during his lifetime.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) had political authority. Jesus (pbuh) did not.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) began their mission at 40. Jesus (pbuh) at 30.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) had ultimate power of government, the power to inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) did not.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) came with a new and comprehensive set of laws for their people. While Jesus in Matthew 5:17-18 said he will not change any laws.

Moses (pbuh) lead his people in a secret mass exodus from their hometown in an attempt to flee the persecution of their enemies. Muhammad (pbuh) too emigrated with his followers from their home town to Madinah in secret in order to flee the torture of their enemies.

Moses (pbuh) was victorious over his enemies both morally as well as physically. Pharaoh was defeated by Moses (pbuh) and all of his army were drowned in the sea. Muhammad (pbuh) too met his enemies in battle and defeated them all. This too was a moral as well as a physical victory. Jesus (pbuh) on the other in the bible it states he was crucified by his enemies. Thus, his victory is a moral one not physical.

If we want to add what is believed to have happened by Chrisitans.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) are humans and prophets, Jesus (pbuh) is God.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) died of natural causes. Jesus (pbuh) was crucified.

Both Moses and Muhammad (pbut) remain dead. Jesus (pbuh) was resurrected.

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At September 29, 2009 4:23 PM , Blogger Dom said...

among their brethren,

(This from Achmed Deedat)
The emphasis is on the words- "From among their
brethren." Moses and his people, the Jews, are here addressed as a racial entity, and as such their 'brethren' would undoubtedly be the Arabs. You see, the Holy Bible speaks of Abraham as the "Friend of God". Abraham had two wives - Sarah
and Hagar. Hagar bore Abraham a son - HIS FIRST-BORN-

'... And Abraham (11) called HIS SON'S name, which Hagar bare Ishmael.' (Genesis 16:15).

'And Abraham took Ishmael HIS SON... "
(Genesis 17:23).

'And Ishmael HIS SON was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.'(Genesis 17:25).

Up to the age of THIRTEEN Ishmael was the ONLY son and sed of Abraham, when the covenant was ratified between God and Abraham. God grants Abraham another son through Sarah, named Isaac, who was very much the junior to his brother Ishmael.

If Ishmael and Isaac are the sons of the same father Abraham, then they are brothers. And so the children of the one are the BRETHREN of the children of the other. The children of Isaac are the Jews and the Children of Ishmael are the Arabs - so they are BRETHREN to one another. The Bible affirms,

'AND HE (ISHMAEL) SHALL DWELL IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN.'
(Genesis 16:12).

'AND HE (ISHMAEL) DIED IN THE PRESENCE OF ALL HIS BRETHREN. (Genesis 25:18).

The children of Isaac are the brethren of the Ishmaelites. In like manner Muhummed is from among the brethren of the Israelites beause he was a
descendant of Ishamel the son of Abraham. This exactly as the prophecy has it- 'FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN'. (Deut.18:18).
There the prophecy distinctly mentions that the coming prophet who would be like Moses, must arise NOT from the 'children of Israel' or from 'among themselves', but from among their brethren. MUHUMMED THEREFORE WAS FROM AMONG THEIR BRETHREN!

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At September 29, 2009 4:31 PM , Blogger Dom said...

I will put my words in your mouth.

(Achmed Deedat)
What does it mean when it is said 'I will
put my words in your mouth'? You see, when I asked you (the dominee) to open Deuteronomy chapter 18, verse 18, at the beginning, and if I had asked you to read, and if you had read: would I be putting my words into your mouth? The dominee
answered: "No." But, I continued: "If I were to teach you a language like Arabic about which you have no knowledge, and if I asked you to read or repeat after me what I utter i.e.

SAY:HE IS ALLAH THE ONE AND ONLY; ALLAH, THE ETERNAL ABSOLUTE;
HE BEGETTETH NOT, NOR IS HE BEGOTTEN: AND THERE IS NONE LIKE UNTO HIM. (Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)(I read them in Arabic)

"Would I not be putting these unheard words of a foreign tongue which you utter, into your mouth?" The dominee agreed that it was indeed so. In an identical manner, I said, the words of the Holy Qur'an, the Revelation vouch safed by the Almighty God to Muhummed, were revealed.

History tells us that Muhummed was forty years of age. He was in a cave some three miles north of the City of Mecca. It was the 27th night of the Muslim month of Ramadaan. In the cave the Archangel Gabriel commands him in his mother tongue:

'IQRA' which means READ! or PROCLAIM! or RECITE! Muhummed was terrified and in his bewilderment replied that he was not NOT LEARNED! The angel commands him a second time with the same result. For the third time the angel continues.

Now Muhummed, grasps, that what was required of him was to repeat! to rehearse! And he repeats the words as they were put into his mouth:

"READ! IN THE NAME OF THE LORD AND CHERISHER, WHO CREATED- CREATED MAN, FROM A (MERE) CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD: READ! AND THY LORD IS MOST BOUNTIFUL,- HE WHO TAUGHT (THE USE OF) THE
PEN, TAUGHT MAN THAT WHICH HE KNEW NOT".
(Holy Qur'an 96:1-5)

These are the first five verses which were revealed to Muhummed which now occupy the beginning of the 96th chapter of the Holy Qur'an.

The Faithful Witness

Immediately the angel had departed, Muhummed rushed to his home. Terrified and sweating all over he asked his beloved wife Khadija to 'cover- him up!' He lay down, and she watched by him. When he had regained his composure, he explained to her what he had seen and heard. She assured him of her faith
in him and that Allah would not allow any terrible thing to happen to him. Are these the confessions of an imposter? Would imposters confess that when an angel of the Lord confronts them with a Message from on High, they get fear-stricken, terrified, and sweating all over, run home to their wives? Any
critic can see that his reactions and confessions are that of an honest, sincere man, the man of Truth- 'AL-AMIN' - THE Honest, the Upright, the Truthful.

During the next twenty-three years of his prophetic life,words were 'Put into his mouth', and he uttered them. They made an indeliable impression on his heart and mind: and as the volume of the Sacred Scripture (Holy Qur'an) grew, they were recorded on palm-leaf libre, on skins and on the shoulder-blades of animals; and in the hearts of his devoted
disciples. Before his demise these words were arranged according to his instructions in the order in which we find them to-day in the Holy Quran. The words (revelation) were actually put into his mouth, exactly as fore told in the prophecy under discussion:

'AND I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN HIS
MOUTH.'(Deut. 18:18).

Un-lettered Prophet

Muhummed's experience in the cave of Hira, later to be known as Jabal-un Noor - The Mountain of Light, and his response to that first Revelation is the exact fulfilment of another Biblical Prophecy.

In the Book of Isaiah. Chapter 29, verse
12, we read: "AND THE BOOK" (al-Kitaab, al-Quran the
'Reading', the 'Recitation') "IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED," (Isaiah 29:12)

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At September 29, 2009 4:31 PM , Blogger Dom said...

"THE UNLETTERED PROPHET " Holy Qur'an 7:158)

and the biblical verse continues:

"SAYING, READ THIS, I PRAY THEE:" (the words "I pray thee", are not in the Hebrew manuscripts; compare with the Roman Catholics' "Douay Version and also with the "Revised Standard Versions")

"AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." ("I am not
learned." is the exact translation of the Arabic words which Muhummed uttered twice to the Holy Ghose - the Archangel Gabriel, when he was commanded : "READ!").

Let me quote the verse in full without a break as found in the "King James Version," or the "Authorised version" as it is
more popularly know "AND THE BOOK IS DELIVERED TO HIM THAT IS NOT LEARNED, SAYING, READ THIS I PRAY THEE: AND HE SAITH, I AM NOT LEARNED." (Isaiah 29:12).

Important note :

It may be noted that there were no Arabic Bibles (12) in existence in the 6th Century of the Christian Era when Muhummed lived and preached! Besi- des, he was absolutely unlettered and unlearned. No human had ever taught him a word.
His teacher was his Creator-

"HE DOES NOT SPEAK (AUGHT), OF (HIS OWN) DESIRE: IT IS NO LESS THAN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM: HE WAS TAUGHT BY ONE MIGHTY IN POWER," (Holy Qur'an 53:3-5).

Without any human learning, 'he put to shame the wisdom of the learned'.

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At September 29, 2009 4:37 PM , Blogger Dom said...

The final unreputiable evidence that Deut 18:18 refers to Mohammad thus shows that the final prophet was outside the house of Isaac highlighting that the Israelites were no longer the chosen ones.

Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
Deut 34:10

This states that no prophet has been like Moses since Moses from Israel. It is not possible that Deut 18:18 can refer to Jesus pbuh.

BEfore you ask. Prophet Mohammad did meet God face to face.

 
At September 29, 2009 5:24 PM , Blogger Dom said...

You said
Thus, we have a beautiful picture of the death and resurrection of Christ which brings about a great triumphant victory!

No section of the bible has so many contradictions than the verses referring to the resurrection.

From Abdul Haleem
Matthew 28.1 states two women, Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary came to the tomb; Mark 16.1 states it was three women, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome; Luke 24.10 agrees it was three women but gives a different list of three than Mark, Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; John 20.1 states it was only Mary Magdalene.

2. Mark 16.2 states the sun had risen at the time of this visit, while John 20.1 states it was still dark.

3. Matthew 28.2 says "an angel" "came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it"; Mark 16.5 says the women encountered "a young man sitting at the right" of the tomb; Luke 24.4 says they saw "two men" who "suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing"; in John 20.1, Mary Magdalene saw nothing other than a moved stone.

4. There is also a discrepancy as to whatever dialogue occurred between this angel or men and the women. Matthew 28.5-7 and Mark 16.6-7 generally agree the women were told that Jesus pbuh had risen, and instructed to advise the disciples that "He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him" Matthew 28.7, and ; Luke 24.6-7 contains no instruction to advise the disciples about an appearance by Issa in Galilee.

5. To whom did Jesus pbuh appear first. Mary Magdalene and the other Mary as Matthew 28.9 claims? Mary Magdalene only as Mark 16.9 claims? Cephas, Peter and then the other disciples, as 1 Corinthians 15.5 claims? Matthew 28.9 claims that Issa pbuh appeared before the women even had reported to the disciples what the found or didnt at the tomb. Also in Mark 16.9 the appearance to Mary Magdalene was before Mary made any report to the disciples. However, John and Luke report no appearance before the women reported an empty tomb to the disciples.

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At September 29, 2009 5:24 PM , Blogger Dom said...

6. Which disciples went to the tomb. Peter alone Luke 24.12? Peter and John John 20.2-8? Did the disciples believe the reports of the women and proceed to Galilee, as Matthew 28.16 claims? Or did they disbelieve these reports as Mark 16.11 and Luke 24.11 claim?

7. In appearing to the disciples, to whom did Jesus pbuh first appear. All eleven together Matthew 28.17-18? Two of them on the road, then to all eleven together Mark 16.12-14 and Luke 24.13-31? To ten of the eleven, minus Thomas, together John 20.19-24? To Peter, then the others 1 Corinthians 15.5? The story recounted in John 20.25-29 is all premised on an appearance of Jesus pbuh before the disciples at which Thomas was not present! Matthew 28.17-18, Mark 16.12-14 and Luke 24.13-31 all disagree with John about any such meeting taking place in the absence of Thomas!

8. In Acts and the Gospel of Luke, the disciples were commanded to stay in Jerusalem and, in fact, met Jesus pbuh there - see Acts 1.4 and Luke 24.33, 47, 49. In Matthew 28.10 and Mark 16.6-7, the disciples are commanded to go to Galilee, and in Matthew 28.16-18, we are told they see Jesus pbuh there, not in or near Jerusalem!

9. Mark says that after appearing before the eleven disciples together in Gallilee, Jesus pbuh ascended to Heaven Mark 16. 14, 19. Luke says Jesus pbuh ascended to Heaven at Bethany after walking with the disciples some time Luke 24.50-51. John says Jesus pbuh appeared to the disciples at three times and that some of these appearances were near the Sea of Gallilee John 21.1, 14. According to Acts the disciples were at Mt. Olivet, a days journey from Jerusalem, when the ascension occurred Acts 1.9-12.

10. In 1 Corinthians 15.5-8, it is claimed that Jesus pbuh appeared to more than five hundred witnesses before his ascent to heaven - a claim directly contradicted at least by Mark, who says the ascension occurred immediately after an appearance before the eleven disciples Mark 16. 14, 19.

Through Paul, not Jesus pbuh teachings, it was decided that JEsus was a God and was crucified. From there it seems the scribes were busy trying to get the records to match this. Scribes being human make mistakes.

How can you say, 'We are wise and the law of the Lord is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of scribes has made it into a lie. JEREMIAH 8.8-10

 

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